Corona virus

**ccwatchmaker** · 03-01-21

Richard, Congratulations on getting your first vaccine. I too received the Moderna vaccine. The second dose was a week ago today. My only reaction to the first dose was a sore arm. However, the day after the second dose was not fun. Fortunately, the malaise only lasted a day. I have talked to others regarding the second dose, and most reported a similar unpleasant reaction. Still, a day's unpleasantness, is well worth the feeling of knowing that you are afforded a degree of freedom most of us have not experienced in a year.

I could pass along the advice of an old friend, which may be helpful, "Don't let your alcohol level get too low."

Actually, I wouldn't know, my drinking consists of a glass of beer once or twice a year.

**Richard230** · 03-01-21

Originally Posted by ccwatchmaker

Richard, Congratulations on getting your first vaccine. I too received the Moderna vaccine. The second dose was a week ago today. My only reaction to the first dose was a sore arm. However, the day after the second dose was not fun. Fortunately, the malaise only lasted a day. I have talked to others regarding the second dose, and most reported a similar unpleasant reaction. Still, a day's unpleasantness, is well worth the feeling of knowing that you are afforded a degree of freedom most of us have not experienced in a year.

I could pass along the advice of an old friend, which may be helpful, "Don't let your alcohol level get too low."

Actually, I wouldn't know, my drinking consists of a glass of beer once or twice a year.

I have heard the same issue with the second dose from other people. So I am not looking forward to that one and am hoping that I can get through my next day's doctor's checkup before the effects kick in. I don't want to visit my doctor with flu symptoms. (I should add that it wasn't my idea to visit the doctor a day after the shot, so something must be going on.) This is especially true as I have never had flu symptoms for as long as I can remember. I have a couple of friends who received the first dose of the Moderna vaccine last week so I am sure that I will hear how it worked out for them before I get my second shot.

**RidaMile** · 03-01-21

You're a glass half empty kinda guy aren't you Richard?

Congratulations on being vaccinated. You've just increased your chances of living through this pandemic and also made it safer for your friends and family if they happen to be in your company whilst you whinge about whatever you are whingeing that particular day.😀

**Richard230** · 03-01-21

Originally Posted by RidaMile

You're a glass half empty kinda guy aren't you Richard?

Congratulations on being vaccinated. You've just increased your chances of living through this pandemic and also made it safer for your friends and family if they happen to be in your company whilst you whinge about whatever you are whingeing that particular day.😀

You are right. I am a glass "half empty" type of person. I spend all of the time while riding my motorcycle thinking about hazards and what I might do if something bad happens. In over 58 years of riding over 850K miles I have only had one accident that caused me to be hurt and my motorcycle to be damaged and that was while going around a 10-mph downhill hairpin turn which was coated with an oil slick that I couldn't see. So I am concerned that if I am sick with virus symptoms and need to ride the 10 miles to visit my doctor, what will I do.

**TheMeteor** · 03-01-21

Congrats, Richard.

**scf** · 03-02-21

Well Richard, i’ve Been riding about 60 yrs also, first bike was a BSA Bantam. When 12 or 13.
I have had many “Unfortunate events” involving motorcycles, one requiring 3months in hospital.
So if we add up your experiences and mine, then divide by 2, it will probably average out.
BTW i received my 1st covid vaccination 2 weeks ago. One more to go.

**Richard230** · 03-02-21

Originally Posted by scf

Well Richard, i’ve Been riding about 60 yrs also, first bike was a BSA Bantam. When 12 or 13.
I have had many “Unfortunate events” involving motorcycles, one requiring 3months in hospital.
So if we add up your experiences and mine, then divide by 2, it will probably average out.
BTW i received my 1st covid vaccination 2 weeks ago. One more to go.

Which jab did you get? I figure that by this summer you are going to need an encyclopedia to keep up with the different vaccine brands. BTW, my arm hurts today. I never had a sore arm when getting a flu shot.

**scf** · 03-02-21

Richard, i got the Pfizer. That’s what they were giving out. Lucky to get that.
Partner & I are Kaiser. Got on their list, never heard another peep from them.
Southern Wa state is really hard to get an appointment.
My partner has been getting the neighbors (all geezers like us) appointments. It’s really tough, the neighbors (all old) are not computer savvy. And this is kind of a free-for-all. Lots of hoops to jump through.
She’s been able to get 5 or 6 folks appointments so far. They make the 2nd appt when the first is given.

**Richard230** · 03-02-21

Originally Posted by scf

Richard, i got the Pfizer. That’s what they were giving out. Lucky to get that.
Partner & I are Kaiser. Got on their list, never heard another peep from them.
Southern Wa state is really hard to get an appointment.
My partner has been getting the neighbors (all geezers like us) appointments. It’s really tough, the neighbors (all old) are not computer savvy. And this is kind of a free-for-all. Lots of hoops to jump through.
She’s been able to get 5 or 6 folks appointments so far. They make the 2nd appt when the first is given.

What I noticed was that when I was getting my shot Kaiser members were getting their second dose of Pfizer, so they must have received their first shot of that brand last month. However all of the people like me that were getting their first shot were receiving the Moderna vaccine. Recently, Kaiser in California had their allocation of vaccines doubled, from 10% to 20% of the state's monthly allocation, and that has seemed to speed up the appointments. I was pleasantly surprised that I was able to go to my local Kaiser Hospital to get the shot instead out to the boondocks as I have heard was the situation in January.

One interesting change in California is that the Governor has retained Blue Shield to allocate and distribute COVID-19 vaccines throughout the state. Their no-bid contract is costing the state $15 million. They will have full control by the end of the month. Kaiser is acting as an advisor to Blue Shield in some capacity, but I don't quite get what their role is in that partnership.

**stephen** · 03-02-21

I received my 2nd Moderna shot 6 hours ago. I took a 4.2 mile walk 1 hour later with no problem. My arm is a little sore, not terrible. I am a little lite headed. It is hard to say if that is shot related, again, no problem. I will update any change.

I asked the nurse about the 2nd shot. She said it was the same as the first shot in strength etc..

**Richard230** · 03-03-21

I heard this morning that the Lone Star State had defeated the virus and the Governor says masks are no longer needed.

The state's bars are open for business again and available for in-person drinking.

No straw through your mask needed.

That is really going to cut into the sales of canned beer, though.

On the other hand it might cut down on the empty beer cans that line Texas highways.

**stephen** · 03-03-21

My wife and I both had a rough 1st night with the 2nd Covid shot. Lot's of aching for both of us. The morning brings a loss of appetite. I feel that the worst is over. My wife has a fever of 99.9 F. I have not checked mine, yet.

**Richard230** · 03-03-21

Originally Posted by stephen

My wife and I both had a rough 1st night with the 2nd Covid shot. Lot's of aching for both of us. The morning brings a loss of appetite. I feel that the worst is over. My wife has a fever of 99.9 F. I have not checked mine, yet.

Thanks, Stephen. I appreciate your report. At least I will know what I am in for the night after I get the shot. I can probably get past the Kaiser door guard with his temperature gun the following day if I can keep any fever that I get under 100 degrees with an aspirin. My normal temperature is just a bit over 97 degrees, so I do have a little leeway there.

**stephen** · 03-03-21

I am 1 day and 4 hours since my 2nd shot. I am feeling better but not back all the way. My wife is not progressing as well. Hopefully by tomarrow I will be able to get back to my normal routine. For both of us, the reaction hit when we were sleeping. I came up and slept in the recliner, that seemed to really help me.

**TheMeteor** · 03-03-21

I just scheduled my first shot for a week from Friday. Hopefully shot #2 will be on a Friday too so I have the weekend to feel shitty. I know four folks that have their second shot and all had side effects. Not sure whether it will be Moderna or Pfizer....video said one or the other. I just glad to be getting vaccinated. My wife is not yet eligible.

**Lag** · 03-03-21

Major Development in the fight against Corona Virus in the USA

The White House said it was utilizing the Defense Production Act to help equip two Merck facilities to manufacture the Johnson & Johnson product, including by bolstering "fill-finish" capacity when the doses are placed in vials and by increasing availability of the components of the vaccines.
The decision came about after it became clear to administration officials that Johnson & Johnson would fall short of their manufacturing goals.
The timeline speeds up by two months the administration's previous goal of having enough shots by the end of July.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/polit...ine/index.html

**Richard230** · 03-04-21

The "talk show" media here is pushing the thought that the J&J vaccine is somehow not "top of the line" and will be given to "disadvantaged" and ethnic communities, thereby continuing their disadvantaged status - or something like that. Personally, I feel that the J&J seems like a perfectly good vaccine and I would have been happy to receive it instead of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines. Plus, I like the idea of getting only one shot and not having to think about unpleasant reactions while waiting for the second shot.

**Lag** · 03-04-21

"J&J vaccine is somehow not "top of the line"
There talking about issuing a booster or something, plenty they don't know?

At least you guys have some options/viable solutions,,. Who was it said Biden was sleepy, at least he used the Emergency Production Act to do something constructive?
Shaving two or three months off the Covid time line is a big deal,,!!

**stephen** · 03-04-21

2 days removed from my 2nd Moderna vaccine, I walked Lake Chabot Golf Course in Oakland. This is a serious up and down layout. The first 1 1/2 hours were hard, but eventually I felt much better. This completes my report on the 2nd Moderna shot. I recommend serious exercise on the 2nd day after the shot.

**TheMeteor** · 03-04-21

thanks for sharing the experience, Steven.

**TheMeteor** · 03-04-21

Originally Posted by Lag

"J&J vaccine is somehow not "top of the line"
There talking about issuing a booster or something, plenty they don't know?

At least you guys have some options/viable solutions,,. Who was it said Biden was sleepy, at least he used the Emergency Production Act to do something constructive?
Shaving two or three months off the Covid time line is a big deal,,!!

Not having to get two shots will be a big benefit for the elderly and those who have difficulty traveling. The single shot could be a big advantage for many and certainly speeds up getting shots in arms.

**Richard230** · 03-05-21

Originally Posted by TheMeteor

Not having to get two shots will be a big benefit for the elderly and those who have difficulty traveling. The single shot could be a big advantage for many and certainly speeds up getting shots in arms.

I agree. And the other big advantage of the J&J vaccine is that it can be stored in a normal refrigerator and doesn't need special handling. That makes it much easier to ship into the boondocks and reach many more people. The fact that it might only have 75-85% protection against symptoms, instead of the 95% of the two-shot versions, is certainly not the deal breaker that some pundits and the uniformed seem to think. That is a lot better than what you get from the annual flu vaccine. The important thing is that it will keep you from having such severe symptoms that you would need to go to the hospital.

**RidaMile** · 03-07-21

It looks like the US will finish the first wave of the vaccination process earlier than expected. This has been hastened by the idiot Idaho Republicans who rallied to burn masks at their Capitol building. Wearing a mask infringes upon their liberty they claim.

Surely they will also take having a needle plunged into their arms and a few drops of a mysterious liquid injected into their flesh as an infringement and have the integrity to refuse the vaccination, too. Combined with refusing to have an endotracheal tube slipped between their vocal cords preventing them chanting "stop the steal" when they go into respiratory failure due to COVID-19, the Idaho republicans will be raising the average IQ of the potato head state and freeing up doses.

Bonus.

**Richard230** · 03-07-21

When I got my shot m son-in-law thought he was being pretty funny by telling me that he had heard that Microsoft had inserted microchips into the vaccine that would be tracking me from now on. Stuff like that can get around and the next thing you know the Governor of Texas is telling his state residents that they need to wear aluminum foil hats to protect themselves from the Microsoft satellites that are stealing their thoughts.

**Gunther** · 03-07-21

Originally Posted by Richard230

... the Governor of Texas is telling his state residents that they need to wear aluminum foil hats to protect themselves from the Microsoft satellites that are stealing their thoughts.

Please, tell me you're jocking

**ccwatchmaker** · 03-07-21

The fact that Gunther has to ask if Richard is joking is indicative of our perception of Governor Abbot and Texas politics in general. I can remember a time when we thought all politicians, regardless of party, had a connection with reason and reality.

**Richard230** · 03-07-21

Originally Posted by Gunther

Please, tell me you're jocking

Sorry, Gunther. But when things start to get too crazy around here I do tend to start joking, perhaps more than I should.

I have to do something to keep up my spirits.

**steve n rose** · 03-07-21

Like scotch, vodka or bourbon?

**Gunther** · 03-08-21

Damn, what can I do now with all the aluminium I bought yesterday?

Sorry guys, in EU we have an unpleasant idea of US school system

**Richard230** · 03-08-21

Originally Posted by Gunther

Damn, what can I do now with all the aluminium I bought yesterday?

Sorry guys, in EU we have an unpleasant idea of US school system

I wonder why?

Join the "whatever happened to the U.S. school system?" club.

**Richard230** · 03-10-21

News reports this morning say that the Governor of Texas removed his tin foil hat again and has now canceled all pandemic restrictions on businesses and other activities within the state. Let the fun begin. Perhaps the spring break festivities this week should be relocated from the beaches of Florida and Cancun to Texas beaches and bars. First the big freeze and now the big opening. I bet all of those Progressive residents who moved out of the People's Republic of Kalifornia for the wide open spaces of the Loan Star State last year are now wondering if that was such a smart move after all.

**Swamp Fox** · 03-10-21

I wouldn't get concerned. I think the restrictions will be pulled all over the country very quickly. If you've been in lockdown and forced to wear a mask, and the people in the state next to you have no restrictions but aren't dying, you'll push for your state to go back to normal also.

Florida, South Dakota and some others are doing just fine without lockdowns. The states with the most draconian restrictions, have the highest levels of infections and deaths. If those restrictions worked, it would be just the opposite.

I came across this yesterday.

Government data shows masks had no impact on COVID spread

What the chart shows, is the number of cases went up and down, but the mask usage stayed the same. The masks had no effect. We've been lied to.

One hour after Biden inaugurated, WHO changes COVID testing criteria

One user on Twitter explained the WHO guidance thus: “PCR positive is no longer = Covid. You are not Covid now unless you get a second test to confirm it, and are presenting clinical symptoms.”
The admission of the inaccuracy of PCR tests comes as a validation for the ever growing evidence of the ineptitude of the tests. As the Lockdown Sceptics website wrote: “For months now, sceptics have been ridiculed for questioning the accuracy of the PCR test, referring to the risk of false positives when prevalence is low and urging the Government to carry out confirmatory second tests on those that test positive. This updated advice from the WHO is a vindication of our position. We look forward to Governments and health authorities bringing their practices into line with it.”

So all those case numbers skyrocketing, partly because of "asymptomatic carriers" was a bunch of baloney.

Did you notice that the flu is surprisingly absent this year? I read that only 1 person has died of the flu this year. Normally, there are several hundred. The number of flu cases in the US comes out to about 3 per state. It looks like some flu cases were attributed to COVID.

**Swamp Fox** · 03-10-21

Checking In On A Texas School District Where The Schools Never Closed

When the state announced its own version of lockdowns and face mask mandates last spring, Peaster briefly experimented with remote learning. But a survey of parents and students showed that a majority didn’t like it. When it came time for classes to start in August, Peaster simply ignored most of the mandates. They continued their classes as usual. For both teachers and students alike, if you wanted to wear a mask you were free to do so. If not, you didn’t. It was as simple as that. They didn’t move the student’s desks any further apart. Nobody was learning “remotely” unless that’s what the families wanted to do. People came and went as they wished. So what happened? As the local CBS News outlet reports… pretty much nothing.

No one has been placed into a mandatory quarantine.
Homecoming happened on schedule. The pancake dinner, fall festival, sports and concerts all took place as planned.
The result, according to Superintendent Lance Johnson, has been a higher enrollment and average daily attendance numbers ahead of last year.
Johnson also said district data shows most students are on track to finish the school year on grade level, closing the learning gap that occurred when schools shut down last spring.

Once the kids went back to school in August, there were no cases of COVID in the schools for ten weeks. Some cases did pop up in the fall for a little while, but it amounted to three teachers and seven students. Nobody died.
CBS reports that as of Monday there were only eight students who were still learning remotely. Everyone else was still in school. The teachers never went on strike. Life just simply moved on.

**RidaMile** · 03-10-21

The USA is far and away the worst performing country in this pandemic.

Period.

**RidaMile** · 03-10-21

The extreme right wing NOQreport which is the source of that mask graph references Yougov and Covidtracker for the data but instead uses it's own fake news data set.
At no stage do those reputable sites give community mask usage rates in the 80s. Never. Some subsets such as health workers and Democrats may approach or exceed 80% but the I'll informed and ignorant proud boy Trumpsters who account for 40-45% of the adult population refused any semblance of effective mask use. Just do the math. Oh, for those reading along who have suffered through the waning US education system 'math' is about numbers and adding up and such. It helps one to understand science, too, which is a bonus.

The graph and the articles based on it are fake.

**RidaMile** · 03-10-21

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**Swamp Fox** · 03-10-21

How Florida beat coronavirus without masks or lockdowns, making California and New York look stupid by comparison
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-03-...lockdowns.html

Rather than dump otherwise healthy seniors in with seniors who tested positive for the Chinese virus, which is what Cuomo did, DeSantis took a different approach to ensure that Florida’s senior population, among the largest in the country, stayed as healthy and safe as possible.
DeSantis also followed the science by lifting lockdowns and other restrictions far earlier than any other state. Adopting Sweden’s model, DeSantis respected the rights and liberties of Floridians to continue living their lives rather than try to force them all to stay home and masked forever, which is what many other state governors are attempting to do.

**RidaMile** · 03-10-21

Crikey.
Florida "beat coronavirus"* you say, hey?

If'n Florida (3rd worst state in good ole 'Murrca) was a country it would be in the top twenty WORST in the world. Oh, and just for those who don't know anything at all about what is outside the big, beautiful wall, being in the top twenty worst countries is among about 200 countries, ok? Under just what system of calculation are you mangling these 'posts'?

Adopting the Swedish model is to say they also didn't give a f*ck. Even the Swedes know they did it wrong. Hey, but I guess someone had to try the let it roll approach, so thanks Sweden. Sweden currently sits at about 15th worst for cases per head of population and 24th worst for deaths per head of population. Hardly a recommendation, but I guess the extreme right press know that, um, absolutley nobody who reads their crap can read beyond the fake headlines. Like your sweet little cut and pastes, brudda.

*better tell the 5000 folk from Florida that caught Trump's sniffles yesterday to rejoice that Florida beat COVID-19. You'll find some in ICU are unaware of the great victory of which you speak, facedown and intubated as they are. Perhaps you could also send flowers to the 90 people who died of COVID in Florida yesterday to rise up and rejoice that DeSantis beat coronavirus so they can remove their death masks from their little safe havens 6 feet under.

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**RidaMile** · 03-10-21

Originally Posted by Swamp Fox

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Did you notice that the flu is surprisingly absent this year? I read that only 1 person has died of the flu this year. Normally, there are several hundred. The number of flu cases in the US comes out to about 3 per state. It looks like some flu cases were attributed to COVID.

Not sure where you read, let alone what you read. Try the CDC. It may be complained about but, considering that the CDC is the repository for such information it may be a good idea to read there for a start. I'll type the deaths per week for you as there have only been a couple of fistfuls of weeks so far this year. I'll number them in the order that the numbers are used outside of the Kansas school system. (I apologise, but I'm uncertain of how the numbers get used inside of Kansas, ok?)

Week - Deaths
1 - 31
2 - 29
3 - 26
4 - 29
5 - 17
6 - 12
7 - 7
8 - 3 (Feb 27th)

(https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html) Full disclosure: this link is from a CDC website, so there may not be any ads for guns, 'Trump 2024' or Mountain Dew.

Just adding up roughly here it seems that for the first 8 weeks of the year some 154 people sadly died from the 'flu in the first 8 weeks of this year. You can tell somebody that you read that on the internet.

**Swamp Fox** · 03-10-21

Wow. Just looking at the Australian news. It doesn't look good for a country with a lot of wasteland and few people in between.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...try/australia/

That's 3.5% who catch the virus who die. And Australia hasn't even opened up their country to foreign travel and they can't control the pandemic. Don't they have some of the most draconian restrictions, and it is still this high? This is sad.

In the Australian news:
Impact of COVID-19 pandemic to be felt for years, expert says
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...aeb02b7061dd7a

I wonder how the people in the tourism business are doing? Or do they even exist anymore?

In other news. You might find this entertaining, since all the problems are in the US.

Hanson lashed as ‘irresponsible’ after wild COVID vaccine rant on live TV
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...7231df6a02f5be

Pauline Hanson has been lashed for spreading “dangerous disinformation” after revealing she will not receive a COVID-19 vaccine and questioning Australia’s official death toll.Prime Minister Scott Morrison was part of the first group to be immunised in Australia, and has been followed by a range of public officials vaccinated publicly to boost confidence in the jab.

But the One Nation senator said she will not get immunised against COVID-19, revealing she had never received a flu jab and had no plans to do so.

Must be a Trump supporter...

Is this the end of Australia’s COVID border closures?
The Government is spending $1.2 billion to get us flying around Australia. But that doesn’t mean state borders will no longer be closed.https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...d505ecbf152119
Melbourne coronavirus: Poll reveals majority think city changed forever
A news.com.au poll reveals most people think Melbourne has been “permanently” altered after three separate lockdowns for COVID-19.
https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...1996a113946866

Three separate lockdowns, and they still can't get it right.

Federal government’s COVID-19 vaccine rollout behind schedule
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...0d401abefbb0a9
Queensland nurse suffers anaphylactic reaction to COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...fd28c9f95c46e2

This can't be. The vaccine is totally safe, right?
New Russian COVID-19 variant confirmed in Queensland
https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...8a6df35d777162
Experts say Australia’s vaccine rollout must ‘dramatically improve’ to meet October deadline
https://www.news.com.au/national/exp...1a00269c66b347

It is already behind in the task, reaching just 33,000 doses of its 60,000 target last week.

Wow, that's just barely more than 50% of the target. But Australia is perfect. I'll keep saying that to myself and maybe it will help.

Pfizer vaccines ‘thrown out’ after storage error at Melbourne aged care centre
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...720d52295ed981

Oops.

Healthcare Australia on notice following Queensland vaccine overdose
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...531a67094f8bbb

Now we know what happened to the non-injected doses.
Coronavirus: NSW shuts border to Auckland, orders New Zealand travellers to isolate
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...65b761d35796f7

That's weird. I thought no one could get in. Hmmm. So how is this happening?

TGA bans pharmacies from revealing which COVID-19 vaccine they offer
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...00d7f87eb8e13c

Information is good, right? Till the people want to know what you're injecting in them.

Queensland vaccine overdosing incident, doctor stood down
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...68e266173b773c

They'll get it right, eventually.
Australia unveils $928 million COVID-19 stimulus package for tourism industry
https://news.yahoo.com/australia-unv...002456208.html

That's almost a Trillion dollars, spelled with a "T". How are the Australians going to pay for that kind of stimulus --- for a self-inflicted wound? And that still doesn't open up the international travel.

Australia’s zero-tolerance coronavirus strategy must end for travel to return, some experts say
Two epidemiologists say that “if zero Covid-19 is this endgame, then international travel is years away.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/trave...ovid-strategy/

**RidaMile** · 03-10-21

That's a lot of cutting and pasting. Must have taxed your widdle fingers.

Why have you flipped from flubbing figures for Florida to Australia?

There have been no community acquired cases in most Australian states for months. Ah that's zero - ZERO, nada, none. The largest state - Western Australia - is kind of like Texas, only bigger much bigger - has not had any cases outside of quarantine for 10 months. They don't need masks and live normal lives. The most populous state has not had a community acquired case for over 50 days.
No deaths in the country since before Trump lost the election. None, zip, nada. Victoria is the name of the state that has suffered the most. They have not had any locally acquired cases at all for a couple of weeks and have 3 people in hospital.

Look it up on the interwebs, you can read it there.

You'd be better off talking about stopping the steal or something. That and why not post that the dinosaurs never existed? Don't forget that Jesus was a brown skinned middle eastern fella, though. Ok?

**RidaMile** · 03-11-21

Originally Posted by Swamp Fox

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...try/australia/

That's 3.5% who catch the virus who die. And Australia hasn't even opened up their country to foreign travel and they can't control the pandemic. Don't they have some of the most draconian restrictions, and it is still this high? This is sad.

So lets compare closer to your apparent home, Kansas. Ahem.

Kansas is a state with a population of about 2,913,000. Thus far (and give it time) 299,768 folks from Kansas have been diagnosed with COVID-19 so about one person in 10. 4,851 have died from it.

For reference Australia has a population of about 25,700,000. There have been about 29,000 cases so about one in 850 people. Sadly 909 deaths across that country.

So Australia has a population about 9 times greater than Kansas. But Kansas has 10 times more cases than Australia. That makes Kansas 90 worse per capita. Ouch. Lets make it only 85 times worse, ok?

As for deaths, Kansas has had 5 times more deaths and taking into consideration the population has a death rate 45 times worse than that Australia.

Originally Posted by Swamp Fox

.... and they can't control the pandemic. ...

I don't think that Australia can control the pandemic. The word itself implies all around the world, you know, outside the big beautiful wall. That is not the brief. Australia seems to have done ok so far in comparison to many other places including every single shovelful of god forsaken earth inside the US of A, don't you think? Or don't you think?

Originally Posted by Swamp Fox

...That's 3.5% who catch the virus who die. .....

Sadly what you say is true in terms of the death rate per case. This is despite the excellent free public healthcare system in Australia. Perhaps that is partly down to survival of the fittest?* Regardless, it has but f*ck all to do with border closures, comprende?

*Survival of the fittest. Phrase made famous in the fifth edition (published in 1869) of On the Origin of Species by British naturalist Charles Darwin, which suggested that organisms best adjusted to their environment are the most successful in surviving...(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_of_the_fittest). As many of the right wing evangelical Christains that plague the USA deny evolution as a concept based in science, perhaps they may be unfamiliar with the phrase.

Yabbadabbadoo, where are you?

**Richard230** · 03-12-21

In today's virus (or is it political) news, it was reported that the Texas Attorney General is suing the Mayor of Austin, TX, because he is still demanding that the residents of his city wear masks when near other people. The state wants its residents to peel of their masks and just let the good times roll. You gotta love the Texas Governor and his staff, they go all the way to make sure everyone gets natural immunity to the virus.

(That tinfoil hat must have fallen off again last night.

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**Lag** · 03-12-21

Messaging has been a total cluster f--k since day one and seems unlikely that anyone will be able to put the tooth paste back in the bottle after these past five years, seems unclear what the future holds,,. Finally good progress on the Covid front and still disruptive messaging at work to undermine the efforts and recent successes,,!!

**Lag** · 03-12-21

Originally Posted by RidaMile

That's a lot of cutting and pasting. Must have taxed your widdle fingers.

Hay RedaMile,,,,,Nice work sorting through all this garbage,,, I suspect your wasting your time however I cant help but agreeing with your observations,,.
Exactly what IU was thinking,,. And yes, very reminiscent of the WildWilly days and some of the underhanded things that were going on,,.

Is any one else having trouble getting into certain threads lately?

**TheMeteor** · 03-12-21

I don't have any 'read it on the world wide web...so it must be true.." items to add to the thread. Just wanted to say I got my first shot of the Pfizer vaccine today. Just a little arm soreness as with any shot. Nothing else so far. As much of a cluster that it was to get an appointment, the NJ Megasite was very well organized and they were pumping a lot of folks through. NJ National Guard there to help register people. They had, IIRC, 40 some-odd registration stations. The process of booking the second shot via the cell phone was very easy.

I am sure they mixed a tracking nanochip in the vaccine because they gave me a sheet to register with the CDC, via my cell phone, as I booked my second shot. Pretty sure that CDC link loaded an app on my phone that broadcasts the data from the nanochip back to the guvamint and also allows them to send data back to nanochip to control my mind.

**scf** · 03-12-21

Gerry, you may now need a tinfoil cape as well as the hat.

**MGD109** · 03-18-21

Got my AstraZeneca first shot yesterday, absolutely no side effects for me so far. I was pleasantly surprised how pain free the actual injection was, it's been many years since I last had a jab but I've donated blood pretty regularly (you ride a motorbike you may as well bank some never know when you'll need a pint or two back) and whilst I would not describe donating blood as painful there is some discomfort inserting into one of your veins, but with the Covid jab didn't feel a thing.

**Gunther** · 03-18-21

Good to know, but I'm afraid I'll get my shot in late summer, or even fall; not enough vaccines here

**Thestrauss** · 03-18-21

Originally Posted by MGD109

Got my AstraZeneca first shot yesterday, absolutely no side effects for me so far. I was pleasantly surprised how pain free the actual injection was, it's been many years since I last had a jab but I've donated blood pretty regularly (you ride a motorbike you may as well bank some never know when you'll need a pint or two back) and whilst I would not describe donating blood as painful there is some discomfort inserting into one of your veins, but with the Covid jab didn't feel a thing.

I hope it will be the same for me when my turn comes one day

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