Corona virus

**Lag** · 03-24-21

Congrats to those getting their shots, songs like the US/England are rolling along quite well,,. We here in Canada are at a snails pace by comparison, the professional's are covered off and just rolling it out to the 80 yr old's,,. Hopefully the world nips this in the butt in the coming months, before these variants get completely out of control,,.

**Richard230** · 03-30-21

I received my second Moderna vaccine shot yesterday morning and I have experienced no adverse reaction at all to the shot. Not even a sore arm. No headache, soreness, chills, fever, or tiredness.

With the first shot I experienced a sore arm for a couple of days. But not with this one. However, I have one friend who reported that both he and his wife experienced all of those reactions for about 12 hours after the shot, starting around 10pm at night. So go figure. It is really odd how different people seem to react differently. In general, it appears that the older you are the less likely you are to get a reaction to the vaccine. I have no explanation that makes any sense for that observation.

**RidaMile** · 04-01-21

I've had my first A-Z vaccination. I felt nothing at the time - excellent Murtagh injection technique - and no ill effects afterwards. My wife had some redness surrounding and distal to her injection site that presented within about 30 minutes and persisted for a couple of hours. That's all.

I don't really know why I am reporting this, apart from that it seems to be the done thing inside this chamber of binomial intelligence.

**TheMeteor** · 04-04-21

Received my second Pfizer shot Friday afternoon. With the first injection I had moderate injection site pain for a couple days. I would say more than a normal injection but not a big deal. I also had slight overall achiness but not really notable. The second resulted in the same arm pain and I am still sore today. A bit of discomfort rolling over in bed.

However, the body aches with dose two have been much stronger for me. The afternoon of dose two I experienced slight "weirdness' like a dizziness and hard time thinking. Yesterday I had flu-like aches throughout the day. Felt really crappy midday and feeding myself Tylenol to avoid wasting a day on the couch. Overnight, I woke up cold around 1am. Very cold. I am not one to run cold and I tossed for about half an hour of being really uncomfortably before deciding I needed to get up and take some Tylenol and turn up the heat in the house. It was as if I were winter camping and could not get warm.

Once I got up, it just intensified and got really strong physical shivers and chills. I put on a fleece and went back to bed. My wife got me some socks as my shivering woke her up. The shivers and freezing last about 30 minutes and I fell back asleep about an hour after I got up. This morning, I just have some aches.

So dose two had a much stronger reaction for me. I have not had shivers and chills like that in many, many years. Beats the alternative though and I can only imagine what the full-blown symptoms are like.

**RidaMile** · 04-12-21

Things have certainly improved in the USA since the removal from office of the orange turd.

The peakiest of peaky peaks that Donald J Trump and his disgustingly stoopid followers imposed upon the people of dear ole America has been slip sliding away ever since January 20th. It is unlikely that any other country will rise to the inept heights of the US during this pandemic despite the improvement, given the brainless head start gifted to the peeps by Trump and the foul religious right with their lusty desire and sense of hope and interest at the death all around them. 'Laudy, look at all those gosh golly corpses dear, how interesting'.

That said, the COVID-19 situation continues to roll on. I note there has been a death from COVID-19 in Australia, the first since October 2020.

**Richard230** · 05-28-21

Time to warm up the Virus thread again and also perhaps add a little political spin to it: Attached is an article describing the California Governor's latest multi-million dollar giveaway program and how it compares with other states that incentivize getting vaccinated by giving out free beer and park passes. Did he really need to have a lottery that will hand out $1.5 million rewards to 10 people for getting vaccinated? I would think that something not quite that generous would work just as well, such as the $50 gift cards that will be given out to the 2 million people who get vaccinated by June 15. But when the money is not coming out of your pocket and you are under the threat of being recalled, I guess the sky's the limit. In any case, if you are a California resident you should be interested in this news.

**scf** · 05-28-21

Free beer?

**Richard230** · 05-28-21

Originally Posted by scf

Free beer?

It is amazing what free beer will get some people to do.

**Richard230** · 06-02-21

Hey guys. Regarding bizarre virus conspiracy theories, I just came up with one myself last night: It is my belief that Big Pharma hired that Chinese lab in Wuhan to develop the Corona Virus and spread it around so that they could make billions of dollars selling the vaccine to the world's population - at least the ones that could afford it.

And now they plan on getting us hooked on the shots so that we will have to pay big bucks to take a booster shot every year or run the risk of dying.

They are also paying the world's media to run news stories every night spreading fear about the virus and guilt if you don't get the shot. Feel free to spread this conspiracy on the internet while sitting on the throne reading about your latest Next Door news event.

On more serious news: everyone in my family, including me, as well as everyone that I personally know, has now had both of the vaccine shots and so far the only reported aftereffect is a sore arm for a day or two and feeling a little weak the day after the second shot. I have not heard a single report of anyone getting sick after having a shot or two of any of the vaccines.

**Lag** · 06-02-21

Hay Richard,,, that theory is at least as good as some of the other shit that goes around and a whole lot more believable,,. You should get on twitter, might be able to make a buck off it,,!!

Congratulations on all the successful programs and vaccination rates,,. Hard to argue its not beneficial when you look at the overall progress in the numbers,,.

We here in Canada are starting to make some headway as well with the vaccination rates, finally the under 16 yr old's and the second shots are rolling out nicely but no where near the US coverage at this point,,. In fact our case numbers are worse then at any point last year so still lots of progress to make up,,.

**Richard230** · 06-02-21

The last member of my family to get the shot will be my youngest granddaughter. She wanted to wait until June 12, the day after her finals at UCSC, as she was worried that if she ended up under the weather due to the shot it might impact her getting an A+ in all of her classes. Now she is one of the 85% in Marin county to get vaccinated.

**TheMeteor** · 06-02-21

Our governor did free beer, free wine (from state wineries and brewers) and god knows what else. Wish common sense would rule and all would just vaccinated (or nearly all) but common sense never seems to rule.

Had a few days off wrapped around Memorial Day holiday. Went to the barber for the first time since Feb 2020 and the dentist first time since Jan 2020. Feels good...even went to a restaurant yesterday and ate there.

**Richard230** · 06-03-21

Originally Posted by TheMeteor

Our governor did free beer, free wine (from state wineries and brewers) and god knows what else. Wish common sense would rule and all would just vaccinated (or nearly all) but common sense never seems to rule.

Had a few days off wrapped around Memorial Day holiday. Went to the barber for the first time since Feb 2020 and the dentist first time since Jan 2020. Feels good...even went to a restaurant yesterday and ate there.

To me, free beer makes more sense than entering people who have already been vaccinated into a $100 million raffle where only 10 people will win a $1.5 million prize. To my mind, free beer is a much more efficient use of taxpayer's money and may be just as effective. At least everyone wins.

**Richard230** · 06-09-21

Here is a copy of a part of an email that my daughter sent to me which she received from a woman that she knows who is a dedicated Anti-Vaxxer. (My daughter definitely does not agree with her.) Yesterday Marin County's Congressman Huffman held a town hall for his constituents, which was invaded by about 50 anti-vaxxers who were ranting, raving and waving signs long enough to attract the TV news reporters. After they got their few minutes on the news, they left and apparently the town hall meeting continued. Just check out the following message, which I have trimmed down (and screwed up its formatting) to keep it to a manageable length, which was used to rally the troops. These people are nuts! BTW, Marin County has one of the highest vaccination rates in the county. Something like 85% of the population over the age of 12 have been vaccinated so far, according to news reports.

!! ACTION ALERT !!
CONGRESSMAN JARED HUFFMAN’S ILLEGAL TOWN HALL

VACCINATION SEGREGATION POLICY:

"GET VAXXED OR GO TO THE BACK OF THE BUS!"

NO WAY!!!

EVERYTHING MAY HANG IN THE BALANCE OF THE OUTCOME OF THIS EVENT!

THIS MAY BE AMERICA’S FREEDOM WOODSTOCK, 2021!

PLEASE GET IN YOUR CAR WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND SHOWUP

ON THIS TUESDAY, JUNE 8TH

SAN RAFAEL COMMUNITY CENTER

(618 B STREET)

SHARE WIDELY !
______________________________________

CONGRESSMAN JARED HUFFMAN IS BREAKING THE LAW!!

IN HIS INVITATION TO HIS SAN RAFAEL TOWN HALL MEETING

THIS COMING TUESDAY, JUNE 8TH,

HE SEGREGATES THE VACCINATED FROM THE UNVACCINATED:

“PROOF OF VACCINATION WILL BE REQUIRED AT THE EVENT

BEFORE ENTRANCE FOR IN-PERSON ATTENDANCE”!
HUFFMAN’S VACCINE PASSPORT

VIOLATES MANY OF YOUR RIGHTS!

IT'S ILLEGAL

IT’S DISCRIMINATION

IT’S SEGREGATION

IT’S MEDICAL APARTHEID -

ON THE STATE & FEDERAL LEVEL

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!

IT’S MEDICAL GERRYMANDERING!

WE ARE GATHERING IN HUGE NUMBERS FROM ALL OVER CALIFORNIA

TO MAKE A NATIONAL EXAMPLE OF HUFFMAN’S VIOLATION OF

THE CONSTITUTION AND OF THIS ERA OF THE GOVERNMENT

PUSHING TO TRANSITION TO VACCINE PASSPORTS/DIGITAL I.D..

WE ARE NOW CHARGED WITH BLOWING THE LID OFF THE LIES.

THIS PRECEDENT WILL ECHO THROUGHOUT THE NATION AND THE WORLD.

WE NEED FOR 10,000 OF US TO SHOW UP.

Come together in the spirit of love and peace standing in your truth and inner knowing without anger or judgement. Visualize thousands peacefully protesting. Stand in your God given sovereign sacred right to freedom with conviction and self love, not anger. Bring your highest and best self! Beginning now, we can build a field for this event that will attract the freedom heart of many!

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL FREEDOM LOVING CITIZENS TO STAND UP FOR THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. THIS IS NOT GENERATED FROM ANY ONE ORGANIZED GROUP.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE REPRESENT OURSELVES AS CONCERNED CITIZENS, NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY GROUP.
THE EVENT WILL RECEIVE NATIONAL PRESS COVERAGE.
TO PROTECT CREDIBILITY, THIS WILL BE A PEACEFUL GATHERING (LIKE LONDON).
WE NEED TO FOCUS ON INFORMING THE PUBLIC (NOT ARGUING WITH PEOPLE).
OUR TALKING POINTS WILL BE MOST EFFECTIVE IF THEY ARE STRATEGIC (POINT TO THE LAWS HE IS BREAKING).
QUALITY GRAPHICS SIGNS GET POSITIVE ATTENTION.

RALLY SIGN SLOGANS (PDF below): Please use these slogans freely. Adapt them to your personal concerns. Chose one that resonates for you. Staying close to the themes of these slogans focuses on the intention of the event - to show how vax passports illegally discriminate in society.

EVENT LOCATION: SAN RAFAEL COMMUNITY CENTER: 618 B STREET

4:30 - 5:30 PM TUESDAY JUNE 8TH

(CAR POOL AND PARK A FEW BLOCKS AWAY.)

RALLY FROM 4:00PM - 6:00PM

PLEASE FORWARD THIS CALL TO ACTION FAR AND WIDE

TO YOUR FREEDOM COMMUNITIES NOW!

IN UNITY & SOLIDARITY FOR FREEDOM

**Lag** · 06-10-21

I could never get why anyone would care if the next guy wares a mask or get a medically recommended vaccine that may prevent them from getting sick,,. The only reasonable explanation is its a grift to raise money and its being done at the highest levels of government, they are the ones that are selling the snake oil,,. These last few years will go down in history as the modern period of miss information,,,,, the retardation of the American People,,!!

**Richard230** · 06-10-21

What worries me is that I fear things will only get worse in the future.

**Lag** · 06-10-21

Weave got a few running around up here as well so not just the US phenomena,,,,. Just when you think the western civilization has learned a few lessons from history and reached a certain level of sophistication you have this nonsense propaganda spreading like wild fire,,!!

**TheMeteor** · 06-10-21

I, too, do not not understand why someone would be angry at someone for wearing a mask. Who really cares if someone chooses to do so? A lot about people's reactions to this virus that is odd.

**Richard230** · 06-11-21

Originally Posted by TheMeteor

I, too, do not not understand why someone would be angry at someone for wearing a mask. Who really cares if someone chooses to do so? A lot about people's reactions to this virus that is odd.

I get upset when a very pretty girl is wearing a mask and I can't see her face or tell if she is smiling at me.

Otherwise, who cares unless they are breaking into a bank.

BTW, I seem to recall that in some countries there was a law that motorcycle and scooter riders had to remove their helmets before paying for gas or entering a convenience store and some other kinds of establishments. I assume that law is no longer being enforced. And now that everyone is wearing a mask, are those employees and establishments any less safe?

**RidaMile** · 06-11-21

Originally Posted by Richard230

I get upset when a very pretty girl is wearing a mask and I can't see her face or tell if she is smiling at me.

I'm sure she is happy that you are wearing your mask Richard, hiding your drool and all.

**Lag** · 06-11-21

Originally Posted by RidaMile

I'm sure she is happy that you are wearing your mask Richard, hiding your drool and all.

Thats funny,,,,,, our local Starbucks has a very friendly staff of mostly young people and they all know who you are by the name on the printed order label, they are all very cheery and greet you by your name, problem is I haven't seen any of there faces in so long I'm not sure I would identify any of them if they walked right by me in the public, never mind knowing there names,,. Not long and some of these pandemic idiosyncrasies may be behind us,,.

Most recently were hearing talk of opening up international boarder rules, criteria is a two shot card and no quarantining when coming back from abroad if you have the card,,. 2 more weeks for me so I'm starting to plan some ADV style road trips again that will include camping and motels as well as perhaps a bit of Wa, Or, State travel when allowed to do so,,!!

**stephen** · 06-11-21

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

The rate of population increase has reduced significantly during covid, but, it is still on the rise,

**Lag** · 06-11-21

Originally Posted by stephen

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

The rate of population increase has reduced significantly during covid, but, it is still on the rise,

Interesting Stephen,,,,,,, when you consider many populations are declining at the same time,,,,,,,,,,,, collision course,,!!

**RidaMile** · 06-12-21

Originally Posted by stephen

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

The rate of population increase has reduced significantly during covid, but, it is still on the rise,

From that link the World's population has doubled since about 1972 - the year that the movie Z.P.G. was released. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z.P.G.)

**stephen** · 06-13-21

I doubt that there has been one day in my lifetime that the population did not increase. A small city is added to the planet every day. a large city, comparable to metropolitan San Francisco, is added every month. This would include San Jose north to Vallejo and east to Walnut Creek, every month.

**RidaMile** · 06-13-21

Lets hope that Hans Rosling (dec)* is correct and the world's population does not double again in the next 50 years

https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosli...ox?language=en

* Deceased. Not shorthand for Democrat you idiot Republicans. He didn't vote for Trump (nor against him), but he was in fact a superbrain, unlike DJ Trump hisself. ["Person, woman, man, camera, television. They were very tough questions..."]

**RidaMile** · 06-25-21

It looks like the Biden administration is doing too good a job of reducing COVID cases and increasing vaccinations in the US of A.

So the republicans are going to wheel out the snake oil salesman Donald J Trump to keep America number 1. With a whole bunch of dumbass antivaxxer Republicans gathering in Wellington Ohio to give themselves a rub it will be nice to see a little spike in the COVID cases. Sure a bunch of people will die, but that's nice as the fascist right-wing Christains will get a front line bed in ICU with the wriggling glimmer of hope that they will meet their laud a little earlier than they had previously planned.

I wonder if, like Yabbadabbadoo, they will find it interesting and exciting that the eternal void that they enter ain't be heaven at all at all.

**Richard230** · 06-25-21

Marin County, just north of San Francisco, is reporting that 90% of their eligible residents have now had at least 1 vaccine shot and 80% are fully vaccinated. San Francisco reported the other day that 80% of their residents have been vaccinated against COVID-10. The same is true of the two counties south of San Francisco, San Mateo (where I live) and Santa Clara Counties. Almost all mask requirements in those counties have been lifted, although some businesses are still requesting that anyone who is not fully vaccinated still wear a mask while indoors, especially when children are around, as children under 12 have not been approved for receiving the shot yet.

Interestingly, in my town most people are still wearing masks within stores and other commercial establishments and most stores still have a hand and cart sanitation station near their entrance. And I still see people driving around by themselves while wearing a mask.

Also, about half of the people that I meet while walking around my neighborhood still wear a mask outside and some will cross to the other side of the street when they get within 100 yards of me. (No need for underarm deodorant.

) Finally, government offices still require you to wear a mask while paying off your local politician.

**TheMeteor** · 06-25-21

LOL..my wife and I chuckle when we see the people driving alone with a mask on too - and wonder 'why?'.

**RidaMile** · 06-25-21

Habit.

Habit and good hygiene. If the mask wearer is going to be in and out of the car entering stores or crowded places they don't have to be touching it repeatedly nor wondering if it is on correctly or not.

For those of us that wear masks for extended periods professionally it is normal to neither touch the mask unnecessarily nor complain about having it on in the first place.

The vaccine provides good protection against getting and giving the virus. Masks help significantly.

SARS-COV-2 cares not one zot about First Amendment Rights and fools who think open carry is the way to protect their family from harm.

**Lag** · 07-05-21

99% of COVID-19 deaths in U.S. involve unvaccinated people

America’s top infectious disease expert says about 99.2 per cent of recent COVID-19 deaths in the United States involved unvaccinated people. And Dr. Anthony Fauci says “it’s really sad and tragic that most all of these are avoidable and preventable.”

READ MORE: Fauci says 3 approved COVID-19 vaccines ‘really quite good,’ urges public to accept shots

He tells NBC’s “Meet the Press” it’s frustrating “where you have a formidable enemy” in the coronavirus and “yet we do have a countermeasure that’s highly, highly effective. And that’s the reason why it’s all the more sad and all the more tragic why it isn’t being completely implemented in this country.”

Fauci notes the United States is “very fortunate” that it has “enough vaccines to vaccinate essentially everybody in the country. And there are people throughout the world who would do anything to get vaccines.”

The United States has registered over 605,000 deaths in the pandemic, the highest national toll in the world.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8001754/u...inated-people/

**Richard230** · 07-05-21

My youngest granddaughter, who will be turning 21 next weekend, got her second shot on Saturday and developed a fever and chills 24 hours later. Fortunately, she is feeling better today. She is the only one in our family that had a reaction, other than a sore shoulder, to the Pfizer vaccine. Now were are all vaccinated. I am glad that is over with. Hopefully, we won't need booster shots in the future.

**TheMeteor** · 07-05-21

i found out a family member that lives out of state contracted COVID in June. She was the only one in their household to get ill because she does not believe in vaccines and thusly refused to get vaccinated. She got fairly ill but is better now. She is still fearful of long-term effects of the vaccine.

When one looks at the current deaths and severe illness striking those that are unvaccinated, it is a clear choice for me.

**Gunther** · 07-06-21

Unknown side effects vs well known risks...

Waiting for the second shots at the beginning of august...

**steve n rose** · 07-06-21

I am currently with an infectious diseases specialist due to a fungal infection in my lung, and he was extremely glad that I've had the 2 shots of AZ. He has followed cases in a major hospital in Melbourne, including a couple of the blood clotting incidents. His view is the the minor risks with the AZ (about the same as getting struck with lightning) far out way the long term affects of getting the Covid 19. He said that nearly all the people that have had the virus have some form of long term consequences.

**Lag** · 07-12-21

Virtually all new Covid deaths and hospitalizations are among unvaccinated people, White House says

-Almost no one who has been vaccinated is being sent to the hospital or dying from the coronavirus, White House officials said.
-The remarks came as President Joe Biden’s Covid team focuses on the portion of the population that has not been inoculated against the virus.
-The continued push for vaccinations is now competing with the rise of the highly transmissible delta variant in the U.S.

**Daboo** · 07-13-21

It's probably best to take what you hear from the "White House" with a grain of salt. Maybe a shaker or two of salt. Most of what they put out is propaganda, not fact. It's like they'd like you to believe is the people taking to the streets in Cuba are doing so because they can't get enough vaccine shots. Really? And if you look at what the liberals are not saying...it is pretty revealing. You don't see anything from Bernie Sanders about the protests. Or from AOC. Or from Colin Kapernick. Why? Because those people are protesting to get freedom...not vaccine shots.

Finding objective news on the vaccines isn't hard...but you won't find it on mainstream media.

And here's the one you really wanted to look at:

VAERS Report Indicates 9,000+ Experimental COVID-19 Vaccine-Related Deaths, a 2,000 Increase in One Week

The most wicked medical experiment in human history has hit a horrific threshold.
In the past week, the latest VAERS Report indicates over 9,000 deaths related to the experimental COVID-19 vaccines.
That’s more vaccine-related deaths than all other vaccines combined.
Yet, the government and Big Pharma continue to insist the experimental jabs are safe and effective.
With over 9,000 vaccine-related deaths, in what reality is this “safe and effective?”
Past vaccinations were pulled with dozens of deaths.
But the experimental COVID-19 vaccines are pushing 10,000.
And VAERS is notorious for underreporting cases.
That means we likely already passed 10,000 experimental COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths.

Plus:

More Deaths Reported to VAERS Following COVID-19 Vaccinations Than for Any Other Vaccine

The "Delta" variant is supposedly more communicable...but the reactions are similar to hay fever or a cold. This is not the kind of infection you run and cry like Chicken Little about.

Also, one last thought...

Fauci admits only 50-60% of CDC and NIH employees have been vaccinated

Now you can sit there smugly and talk about all those who haven't been vaccinated...but why have 40-50% of the CDC and NIH employees not taken the vaccine? The vaccine has been available to all, and at no cost. They are even offering you drugs and lottery tickets to take the vaccine. And almost half of the employees in the very offices at the heart of guiding us through this pandemic...have refused the vaccine? Yes, I said, "refused" because they have every opportunity and you'd think they would know the best how deadly this virus is.

Or maybe they know something we don't know?

So while it may be a favorite pastime to bash the USA...start getting your facts straight and look to your own nation. It has it's problems too.

Chris

**Lag** · 07-14-21

*States with low vaccination numbers had Covid-19 case rates last week 3 times higher than others where people are fully vaccinated
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/12/healt...day/index.html

*Here’s a map showing where low vaccination rates meet high case counts as U.S. Covid infections surge
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/13/covi...t-spreads.html

*In Arkansas, Covid-19 cases surge as state combats vaccine skepticism
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/us/ar...ism/index.html

*It's not just about you. Experts say getting a Covid-19 vaccine protects everyone around you
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/healt...day/index.html

**Daboo** · 07-14-21

I tend to disregard anything CNN publishes. As a post on another forum described CNN,

Yes, CNN is irresponsible and biased beyond description, and staffed by the dumbest and most ignorant journalists and commentators on Earth.

But the problem here isn't that. The problem here is that whatever those reports actually stated, with details, qualifications, and caveats, no doubt, (if they were legitimate), will NOT be understood by CNN journalists.

Journalists get little or no education in math or the sciences, typically. And ANY statistics stuff might as well be in Greek, to most journalists. (Most journalists will tell you that algebra doesn't exist in the real world, but tell that to engineers.)

CNN exists to make money scaring Americans with the most fear-producing headlines they can gin up.

So it's not just me.

I like his last line. "CNN exists to make money scaring Americans with the most fear-producing headlines they can gin up."

Somebody else called it "fear porn". An apt description.

You can make statistics say whatever you want them to say. In one of the articles, Vermont was being compared to Arkansas for the number of cases. A more apt comparison would be comparing Vermont to South Dakota, just on population alone. Arkansas as almost 3M people vs Vermont with a fifth of that. People are far more spread out in Vermont than in Arkansas. I didn't cross-reference vaccination rates as well. There are too many other things in life to be doing instead.

I look at the "big picture" usually. I've had the flu a few times in the past, and didn't go to the doctor. There was little doubt in my mind I had the flu and we just monitored my temperature and I stayed in bed. A couple days later, I was fine. We've been programmed now though to run to the doctor if we have any symptoms of anything to be tested. If the tests are still as bogus as they were being reported a few weeks ago, then are we getting false positives? The testing centers were told to run the tests through 40 cycles if you hadn't had a vaccine...but only 25 cycles if you had had the vaccine. The first number was criticized for giving false positives...and it makes you wonder how many of the "asymptomatic" carriers actually had the virus.

The symptoms are similar to the common cold or hay fever.
The Delta COVID-19 variant is more infectious – but there's 'promising' data on vaccines and deadliness

Experts are still learning about the Delta variant, but the symptoms do seem to be different to the "original" coronavirus.

Previously fever, persistent cough and loss of taste or smell were the top symptoms to watch out for.

But with Delta, a headache is the most common symptom, followed by a sore throat, runny nose and fever.

We have been programmed to equate a positive test result with death. Sure, we are all going to die...but not necessarily from COVID.

I see people driving around in their cars...by themselves...with the windows rolled up...and wearing a mask. Have we not learned how to think for ourselves? Those people haven't.

The other one that makes me roll my eyes is the older lady who walks her dog in the early morning. She's wearing a mask. I'm the only one close to her and I'm hundreds of yards away, in a car with my windows rolled up. Who is she afraid of getting the virus from? Her dog?

**steve n rose** · 07-14-21

Don't individuals have the right to choose to wear a mask if it makes them feel more comfortable?

**Richard230** · 07-14-21

I wear a mask in an enclosed public building like a grocery store, even though I don't need to because I am fully vaccinated and the store, like Safeway, does not require its customers to wear a mask. But I do so anyway to make people around me more comfortable. It seem like a small thing to do for 30 minutes if it makes others feel better protected against getting sick.

**Daboo** · 07-14-21

I totally agree, Richard. You're in a enclosed public building with a lot of other people around. And you're doing it to make others feel more comfortable. But why does that make someone "comfortable"? Are they living in fear? Because in the past 12+ months of the two-week lockdown, we were told the world was coming to an end? And they believed it?

Now what about the person alone in their car with the windows up...and wearing a mask? Does it make any sense? Or is it virtue signaling? The "science" certainly doesn't support wearing a mask.

We are thinking human beings...supposedly. We do things because there's a reason for doing so. Maybe it is a reflexive action, like stepping back onto the curb when a bus is about to run us over. We see the danger, and we move out of the way. We go to school and get training so we can get a better job (hopefully), but we make a conscious decision for doing so. Why do we wear a mask? The science doesn't support it. Unless it is a N95 mask, it is worthless. In fact, it probably falls into the category we were told initially not to wear, because it broke the vapor particles into smaller particles which stayed airborne longer.

So I think it is one thing to wear a mask in a crowded situation. Asians have been doing so for years. I doubt it helps unless you get a much higher rated mask than the general populace has. And I doubt it helps if you wear it under your nose, like many people do that I see.

But they are probably mouth-breathers, so they are still doing the right thing.

Over the past what...15 months of the two-week lockdown, I've done a lot of observing and thinking. I started out on the side of being very vigilant regarding the lockdowns, wearing a mask, etc. Then I noticed some things. Here's one for instance. The masks that we are supposed to wear when required...do they do anything to filter out smoke from the forest fires? No. If they are worth anything at all in the fight against COVID, they should...but they don't. They are worthless against the large smoke particles from forest fires floating in the air. How effective will they be against COVID virus particles that are thousands of times smaller? Nill. Nada. Zilch. So why are you wearing them...especially when you don't have to?

I'm not a fan of the statistics I see anywhere. CNN, CDC, Fauci, the White House...99% of the media -- they all have an agenda they are pushing and it has nothing to do with keeping you safe. Do you think it is a coincidence that the CDC said the testing cycles were too high and giving false positives...the afternoon of Biden's inauguration? They knew that for months. They have an agenda.

So as I said, I look around me and observe. A friend is very overweight. I'm not sure he ties his own shoe laces. He's a diabetic. He's out of shape. He's in his late 60's. He got COVID...and it was like a bad cold. Another friend on the opposite side of the spectrum, got COVID. He works at Microsoft. Fit. Young. It was like a cold for him. As many of you know, I teach the Bible at a drug/alcohol rehab house. Two of the guys got COVID, and I sat with them at a table where we were elbow to elbow for over an hour...and I didn't get COVID. At church, we have a "Senior Saints" group. There's probably 120+ old people in there. We haven't worn masks for months...and we haven't been getting COVID. Our church services transitioned to making masks optional a month or so ago. We get about a thousand at each service. We're singing and packed into the room tight. We're not getting COVID.

There's no statistics there to manipulate. Just observations from the past six months.

But if I look at the news media, the sky is falling and we must tell the king!

Originally Posted by steve n rose

Don't individuals have the right to choose to wear a mask if it makes them feel more comfortable?

Definitely.

Just as individuals should have the right to choose not to wear a mask if it makes them feel more comfortable.

**Richard230** · 07-15-21

What can I say? There is no question that the media constantly tells us to be very fearful of catching the virus and will bring up the few cases where someone has become sick even though they were vaccinated. But what do you expect when the manufacturer of the vaccine says it is 94% effective. Someone will be in that 6%. There is nothing wrong with the message, but I do wish they would tone it down a bit and I am really getting tired of seeing people get "jabbed" with a needle on every TV news program. Enough, already. I am really not a big fan of needles.

In my county, we have a vaccination rate of over 80%, but I do see different reactions from various people that I meet. Some people still wear a mask while walking by themselves outside and when I see them on my walks around the neighborhood and they see me from a block away, they will move over to the other side of the street to avoid getting within 50 feet of me. There is one elderly Asian lady that I occasionally see going for a walk that wears a huge hat, a full-face mask, goggles, a scarf, gloves and a raincoat. Now there is someone who is really in fear of becoming sick (and perhaps she has a personal reason for that fear). On the other hand, other people will walk right past me not wearing a mask as they might have done two years ago. Everyone is different in the way they react to the situation, so I just try to accommodate their concerns as best I can if I can do so with little effort on my part.

Interestingly, I was at my local Ace Hardware store last weekend and none of the employees were wearing masks, but all of their customers were.

I guess Ace Hardware employees are tougher than their customers.

**Daboo** · 07-15-21

As I said in an earlier post, I tend to take this stuff with a few grains of salt.

What Fauci’s emails tell us about his deadly incompetence and mishandling of COVID
Revelations include flip-flops on masking, fixation with a failed coronavirus drug, and disastrous virus mortality errors.

You might want to read the entire article. I'll put a quote here for you.

Two weeks after his March 2 email, Fauci reiterated to the U.S. House Oversight and Reform Committee that mortality for the flu was around 0.1 percent. The updated mortality rate of COVID-19, however, was around 1 percent, he claimed. As Dr. Brown remarked, “The conclusion was reported to the House Committee that the coronavirus was 10 times more lethal than seasonal influenza.”

Brown explained that Fauci’s comparison between influenza and COVID-19 mixed up two different metrics: case fatality rate and infection fatality rate. “Confusion between CFRs and IFRs may seem trivial, and it is easy to overlook at first, but this confusion may have ultimately led to an unintentional miscalculation in coronavirus mortality estimation,” Brown said.

“A comparison of coronavirus and seasonal influenza CFRs may have been intended during Congressional testimony, but due to misclassifying an IFR as a CFR, the comparison turned out to be between an adjusted coronavirus CFR of 1% and an influenza IFR of 0.1%,” he said.

Fauci’s mistake thereby “helped launch a campaign of social distancing, organizational and business lockdowns, and shelter-in-place orders” based in large part on an error.

And we continue to blindly follow that mistake with some people having no intention of ever going back to living a life without a face diaper.

Dr. Fauci: anti-masker
Fauci’s emails also detailed his stunning reversals on mask use and his initial rejection of widespread masking, given what he recognized to be the ineffectiveness of most face masks.

“Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection,” Fauci wrote February 5 to Sylvia Burwell, presumably the Obama-era health secretary and former Gates Foundation executive.

“The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material,” he told Burwell. “I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a vey low risk location.”

Then there's been the entire fuss about the "vaccine". First, it really isn't a true vaccine in the sense of the definition of a vaccine. Do you remember the huge amount of negative press regarding Hydroxychloroquine? Does it work? Most of the press says it doesn't. But if it did work, big pharma couldn't get the approval for an "experimental" vaccine. Likewise, India was having huge problems with the Delta variant. That is till they started using ivermectin. The FDA and CDC still don't approve...but the doctors in India found it worked well.

FDA warns against ivermectin to treat covid, but India uses it successfully for health care workers

So why all the push for a "vaccine" that is killing people, when there are drugs that are shown to work? Money maybe?

And if it is for money...why are we going along with the lie?

**TheMeteor** · 07-16-21

Originally Posted by Richard230

What can I say? There is no question that the media constantly tells us to be very fearful of catching the virus and will bring up the few cases where someone has become sick even though they were vaccinated. But what do you expect when the manufacturer of the vaccine says it is 94% effective. Someone will be in that 6%. There is nothing wrong with the message, but I do wish they would tone it down a bit and I am really getting tired of seeing people get "jabbed" with a needle on every TV news program. Enough, already. I am really not a big fan of needles.

In my county, we have a vaccination rate of over 80%, but I do see different reactions from various people that I meet. Some people still wear a mask while walking by themselves outside and when I see them on my walks around the neighborhood and they see me from a block away, they will move over to the other side of the street to avoid getting within 50 feet of me. There is one elderly Asian lady that I occasionally see going for a walk that wears a huge hat, a full-face mask, goggles, a scarf, gloves and a raincoat. Now there is someone who is really in fear of becoming sick (and perhaps she has a personal reason for that fear). On the other hand, other people will walk right past me not wearing a mask as they might have done two years ago. Everyone is different in the way they react to the situation, so I just try to accommodate their concerns as best I can if I can do so with little effort on my part.

Interestingly, I was at my local Ace Hardware store last weekend and none of the employees were wearing masks, but all of their customers were.

I guess Ace Hardware employees are tougher than their customers.

Ace is the Place

**Lag** · 07-16-21

Went out for the Wednesday night ride with the lads (10 of us) the other night to a Lake out in the Mountains and then to the Black Sheep Public House for drinks and vittles,,. Big place, packed & there wasn't a face mask or a wet eye in the place, waitresses patrons the works,,. BC was a little slow getting vaccine inventory but once we got things rolling our numbers have fallen off a cliff, luckily, just ahead of the "D" variant,,,,.

WELCOME BACK TO THE OLD NORMAL,,!!

80% of eligible adults in B.C. have now received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose

British Columbia has just hit a major COVID-19 vaccine milestone.

Health Minister Adrian Dix said Tuesday that 80 per cent of the adult population has received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine.

In a press conference announcing plans to expand Richmond Hospital, Dix mentioned the province was also close to having 80 per cent of the population over 12 partially immunized.

As of Monday, 78.8 per cent of eligible people 12 and older in B.C. had received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and 44.6 per cent had received their second dose.

READ MORE: Data in favour of mixing COVID-19 vaccines, but long-term effects unknown: experts

When just eligible adults are counted, that number climbed to 79.9 per cent while 47.7 per cent have received their second dose.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8024862/b...igible-adults/

**Richard230** · 07-16-21

Many county health officers (starting in LA but now expanding to the SF Bay Area) in California are now recommending that even fully vaccinated people go back to wearing face masks indoors since COVID-19 cases are increasing dramatically over the past couple of weeks in the state. What isn't clear is why they feel that vaccinated people should go back to wearing masks, since they admit that almost all of the new cases are impacting un-vaccinated people.

**Lag** · 07-16-21

Will see what happens here, personally I would have left most of the rules in place for another four weeks,,. Our cases peaked 3 months ago and at the time they were considerable higher then what they were at any time last year, like more then 10 x higher and now with health rules and vaccines were on the cusp of eradicating the population,,.

Hopefully thats the end of it , but you never know with this thing,. The biggest risk is that much of the developing world has barely scratched the surface so it could take years,,!!

**Daboo** · 07-17-21

Originally Posted by Richard230

Many county health officers (starting in LA but not expanding to the SF Bay Area) in California are now recommending that even fully vaccinated people go back to wearing face masks indoors since COVID-19 cases are increasing dramatically over the past couple of weeks in the state. What isn't clear is why they feel that vaccinated people should go back to wearing masks, since they admit that almost all of the new cases are impacting un-vaccinated people.

They talk about cases, but not about deaths or even hospitalizations.

Take this next comment as a "true fact", because you know that everything you read on the Internet is true.

Something that surprised the experimental vaccine makers is they planned for the spike proteins in their RNA vaccines would stay in one place, the muscle where it was injected. This hasn't happened. The spike proteins are traveling throughout the body and accumulating in some strange places. The brain. Ovaries. Heart muscle. And they are being exhaled where non-vaccinated people can breathe them in. This is what concerns a lot of people. You get past the initial day of the injection, but then people are dying mysteriously days or weeks later and it appears to be related to the experimental injection.

Chris

**Richard230** · 08-31-21

Trust it.

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