BMW CE 04 electric scooter

**Richard230** · 03-31-21

It looks like BMW might be getting ready to introduce another electric motorcycle to their lineup: https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-feat...roduction.html

**Richard230** · 07-07-21

It has arrived: Here is a link to an article regarding BMW's latest electric scooter, the CE 04. I wonder if that seat is as hard as it looks?

The automatically-applied parking brake that functions when the side stand is deployed is a good idea. The TFT instrument display screen is a nice touch. At 504 pounds, it certainly is no lightweight. And of course, being a BMW there will be extra-cost factory features, such as are on the "Premium" version that will set you back an additional $1,650 over the base price of $11,795 in the U.S.

https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-feat...irst-look.html

**Richard230** · 07-08-21

Here is a link to the official factory spin about their new scooter. Definitely not the prettiest vehicle I have ever seen. And what is up with that orange fly screen?: https://electricmotorcycles.news/the...e-04-unveiled/

**Bogbody** · 07-08-21

Goodness gracious me ..... that is a bit of a challenge in the visual department.
Its heavy -- range ok for commuting but I would like to go a bit further than a 40 mile radius on a rideout without making a coffee last 1 to 4 hours.
Darn't look up the price .......

I have done .... it'll be £10,000 or £12,000 in good old British pounds.
Thats a lot of beer vouchers for an 80 mile range.

At the moment I can't see how a motor/battery capable of giving the performance of a 125bhp bike with a 200mile range (like the GS) and be small enough and light enough to actualy be fun ?

Ok 250kg for 80 miles on the scooter ..... a rough guess suggests 500kg (ish) for 100+ bhp at 100 mile range.
Are we realy talking 500kg plus for a decent range?

**Richard230** · 07-08-21

Originally Posted by Bogbody

Goodness gracious me ..... that is a bit of a challenge in the visual department.
Its heavy -- range ok for commuting but I would like to go a bit further than a 40 mile radius on a rideout without making a coffee last 1 to 4 hours.
Darn't look up the price .......

I have done .... it'll be £10,000 or £12,000 in good old British pounds.
Thats a lot of beer vouchers for an 80 mile range.

At the moment I can't see how a motor/battery capable of giving the performance of a 125bhp bike with a 200mile range (like the GS) and be small enough and light enough to actualy be fun ?

Ok 250kg for 80 miles on the scooter ..... a rough guess suggests 500kg (ish) for 100+ bhp at 100 mile range.
Are we realy talking 500kg plus for a decent range?

My Zero has gone 150 miles on a single battery charge, but at an average speed of about 45 mph. Zeros, the H-D LiveWire and Energicas will travel between 80 and 100 miles at 70 mph. But by then their battery pack is on its lasts legs and will require about 10 or 12 hours to recharge at a 120V outlet, half that time or less at a commercial 240V outlet and around 90 minutes at an L3 DC fast charging station.

**DJ123** · 07-09-21

Originally Posted by Bogbody

Goodness gracious me ..... that is a bit of a challenge in the visual department.
Its heavy -- range ok for commuting but I would like to go a bit further than a 40 mile radius on a rideout without making a coffee last 1 to 4 hours.
Darn't look up the price .......

I have done .... it'll be £10,000 or £12,000 in good old British pounds.
Thats a lot of beer vouchers for an 80 mile range.

At the moment I can't see how a motor/battery capable of giving the performance of a 125bhp bike with a 200mile range (like the GS) and be small enough and light enough to actualy be fun ?

Ok 250kg for 80 miles on the scooter ..... a rough guess suggests 500kg (ish) for 100+ bhp at 100 mile range.
Are we realy talking 500kg plus for a decent range?

Until battery tech becomes lightweight and more compact, it'll not take off. Plus (as far as i know) they're exempt from the EV rules that are upcoming as Bikes are generally pretty economical, and are not a huge contributor to vehicle pollution.

**Richard230** · 07-09-21

Originally Posted by DJ123

Until battery tech becomes lightweight and more compact, it'll not take off. Plus (as far as i know) they're exempt from the EV rules that are upcoming as Bikes are generally pretty economical, and are not a huge contributor to vehicle pollution.

And, more importantly, they don't make enough noise to irritate your neighbors or government regulators or legislators.

**DJ123** · 07-09-21

The problem is, it goes the other way. They'll say they are too quiet and they nearly get run over as they can't hear them coming

**Richard230** · 07-09-21

Originally Posted by DJ123

The problem is, it goes the other way. They'll say they are too quiet and they nearly get run over as they can't hear them coming

I have been riding electric motorcycles for the past 12 years and that has never been a problem for me. The only time I have had to brake hard to avoid someone is when a pushbike rider decides to make a U-turn right in front of me without looking back as I am riding along the highway. Apparently, they believe that there is no one else on the road than them.

And oddly, if you toot your horn as you come up on a bicycle rider to let them know you are there, they get upset and flip you off.

**Richard230** · 07-14-21

Long Way Home has a few funny words to say about BMW's new CE 04 electric scooter, including that BMW will no longer be building gas-powered scooters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jenhOJaea98

**Richard230** · 07-15-21

Here is one place that you won't want to visit to recharge your CE 04. You think gas prices are high? Check out the kWh prices on this charging station somewhere in Scotland that I plucked off of the Electric Motorcycle Forum. Two pounds per kWh for the first 3 hours and then 10 pounds per kWh after three hours. I thought I had high electric power costs at home at 26 cents per kWh. As the person who posted that photo said, that is one way to make sure that no one will use your EV charging facility.

**Richard230** · 08-12-21

It looks like board seats are becoming a "thing" with electric motorcycle scooters.

https://electricmotorcycles.news/new...or-the-ofr-m1/

**Richard230** · 01-27-22

Here is a link to a riding review of this new BMW CE 04 electric scooter. If you go to buy one don't forget to bring a fat wallet - as usual: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufactu...irst-ride.html

**Richard230** · 01-28-22

In this BMW promotional video regarding the design of the CE 04. The presenter mentions their selection of a long flat seat as allowing the rider to adjust his/her position while riding and not be forced into one location by the contoured design of the seat. (Just like the way motorcycle seats used to be designed many years ago. Still not a bad idea.

) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TimIdXXmkYk

Here is a link to a BMW promotional video regarding the technical design of the scooter. I found the technology and build quality impressive, as you might expect from BMW. The 5-year warranty is also a nice feature. However, the design of the accessory saddlebag doesn't get me too excited. Perhaps offering a removable hard case also would be a good idea. Also shown was a taller windscreen, which certainly could be larger to offer better protection. Interestingly there was no mention of weather protection, which you would think would be important for a scooter mostly designed for city usage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUrRL979gHk

**Lighning** · 01-30-22

I wonder if electric bikes and scooters will lead to more young motorcycle riders?

**Richard230** · 01-31-22

Originally Posted by Lighning

I wonder if electric bikes and scooters will lead to more young motorcycle riders?

Well, there are a few obstacles to that concept. First you have to get the young people away from their computers and then out of their parent's homes. Then they will have to get a good-paying job and either have sense to save money or to somehow establish a good credit score. Finally you will need to convince them to not spend their money on all of the other expensive things that they feel they might need - like food, rent and the latest cell phone.

And around that time they will get married and their new wife will put an end to their electric motorcycle dreams.

From what I see at Alice's Restaurant, most motorcycle riders seem to be over 50 years old.

**Lighning** · 01-31-22

I see your point. Sounds like my kids. Cell phones need a dock that will allow their motorcycles to become more entertaining. Of course the motorcycles will need to ride themselves to prevent knarly accidents.

**Richard230** · 01-31-22

When my oldest granddaughter reached 18 for a birthday present I paid for her to take the CA beginning rider's course. She passed it (just barely) but the instructor told her that she might want to consider not riding a motorcycle. She took his advice and never showed any interest in riding - and for that matter, four years later she has never showed any interest in driving a car either. If she has to go anywhere her mother takes her there.

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